1 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,680 I'm sure of it, then. 2 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:57,960 -No. That doesn't sound right, Wiktor. - I'm aware of that, but that's what I saw. 3 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,560 - It couldn't have been what you saw. - Yes, it was. 4 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,880 - Just ask Karl Otto. He saw it, he too. - It can only... 5 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,680 - You saw it, you too. - You understand that it cannot be true. 6 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,360 -Where should it have come from? - I don't know that. 7 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,240 - Do you have a folder? - It's in the car. 8 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,480 -Why that? - You know everything that is written there. 9 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,880 I would like to have the numbers in front of me when I sit there. 10 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,840 - Just ignore him. - I have to say hello. 11 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,720 - You're only going to annoy yourself. - Yes, there is a risk of that. 12 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,360 Just ignore him until you're on the air. 13 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,640 I'll go get that folder. 14 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,360 Yes, do it. 15 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,720 Thanks. 16 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:19,840 Like we've been talking about, right? Focus on Willoch and the cameras, not the nose in the numbers. 17 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:25,200 -Last time I had received papers with the wrong number. - These are the triple check. 18 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,560 - So good. Aren't we going to go soon? -Yes, every moment. 19 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,240 -Hey! -Hello. 20 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,080 - My name is Siri. - Grow. 21 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,040 -Nice. - Victor. 22 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:45,680 I just have to let you know that we have some technical problems and have to postpone the start-up. 23 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,000 How long then? 24 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:53,000 We ... They are working on the case. There is something with the electrical system. 25 00:03:53,120 --> 00:04:00,040 A revue group has played a revue about Tordenskjold, and Åge Aleksandersen celebrated his birthday here. 26 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:06,280 It's a bit of a mess as to who made the mistake. We can't get hold of them, and Åge is on tour. 27 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:13,240 - You don't have to think about that now. - Do they have a place where we can stay that long? 28 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,720 Do you have a place the Prime Minister can stay that long? 29 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:20,520 Yes. 30 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:30,600 If we have some free time, we would like to use it in a separate room, so that we can work with... 31 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,640 -Government stuff. - With government stuff. 32 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:40,800 It might be best if you stay here. In the event that we can suddenly go on, we are ready. 33 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,200 -Are you doing well? -Yes, of course. 34 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,440 Thanks. Thank you very much. It helps a lot, that is. 35 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,360 I vote for you, by the way. 36 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,240 It was a handsome girl. 37 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,360 -Can't you go and see what's going on? -Technical problems. 38 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:11,120 Get slightly clearer answers. See if you can maybe help with something? 39 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,840 Yes. 40 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:40,160 What did you see out there? I couldn't refrain from eavesdropping on the conversation with Martinsen. 41 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:44,520 - I got a little curious, you could say. -Oh yes. Yes, it... 42 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,600 - Hmm? -What? No, it was nothing. 43 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,360 - Nothing? - Just a misunderstanding. 44 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,880 - What was misunderstood, then? - It's not that important. 45 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,040 -Nothing to do with security? -No. 46 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,600 It was good. 47 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:11,160 What was it about, then? 48 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,680 Wiktor thinks he saw a hippopotamus. 49 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,080 A hippo...? 50 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,200 Yes. 51 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,120 - Where then? - Right outside. At the back here when we drove in. 52 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,840 - So there are no hippos in Trondhjem? -No. 53 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,120 - He must have seen a mistake. - That's what I told him. 54 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,880 -Right outside here, in the parking lot? - I didn't see it myself. 55 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,520 - The hippopotamus? - Or whatever it was. 56 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,880 He may have seen wrong. It could have been a different type of animal? 57 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,280 - It can happen. - A big dog, for example. 58 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,760 - You can talk to him. - About what? 59 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,280 - Whether it might have been a big dog. -Yes. 60 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,440 This is your own text. Exactly, it's refreshing. 61 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,480 "The summer debate on gender equality". Just. Exciting. 62 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,880 Exactly, yes ... Yes, yes. Yes, exactly. 63 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,120 Yes... 64 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,160 - Hmm? - Hmm? 65 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Do you want me to comment? I can give a comment. 66 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,520 -But you want to wait until we're on stage, don't you? - I already know what you have to say. 67 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:10,120 I don't think so. They claim things here that should explain my thoughts, opinions and feelings. 68 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,680 I report on legislative proposals you have voted no. It's not feelings. 69 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:22,480 And there you are compliant to the letter. Cheers for that. But you also write: 70 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,320 "Willoch is especially brought up" - 71 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,120 - "over the Labor Party's proposal to radical gender quotas." 72 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:37,920 - I'm not brought up. I just disagree. -Being brought up is something we women do? 73 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,320 - I haven't said that. - Not loud, at least. 74 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:47,720 I have then seen many men brought up politicians. Most from your party. 75 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:53,280 Should I be brought up every time someone suggested something poorly thought out, - 76 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:59,800 - I would soon have had to end my career. But surely you have experienced the same thing yourself? 77 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,400 No. 78 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,680 -Not that? -No! 79 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:08,320 Victor! 80 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,480 - Victor? - Oh, sorry! 81 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,640 - It's going well. - Sorry. Yes, sorry. 82 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:22,120 It looks like it's going to take a bit more time. But the audience is in the hall, so everything must be ready. 83 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:27,080 -And we have people looking for that hippopotamus. - What then? 84 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,160 - Wiktor told us about the hippopotamus. - He did, yes. 85 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:36,600 So we are looking for volunteers in the area. And someone has called the fire department. 86 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,000 -Aren't they the ones to call? Or the police? - The Wildlife Board. 87 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:47,320 - But it's not a hippopotamus. - It could have been another animal. A dog, e.g. 88 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,760 -So there is no hippopotamus? - I didn't see it. 89 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,920 If it is a hippopotamus, it is quite dangerous. 90 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,600 - They are violent. -Are they? 91 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:02,400 Yes. Hippos and cows are those animals which kills the most people a year. 92 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,920 They don't kill more people than mosquitoes do they? 93 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,560 -Think of malaria and all this here. -The most dangerous mammal. 94 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:15,840 Yes, that is probably correct. But the mosquito is probably the most dangerous. 95 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:22,000 But now it's not a hippopotamus here, don't steer with it. You have to get the technical stuff right. 96 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,000 - Yes, they keep going. - Where is Wiktor? 97 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:31,360 He was going to show the others where he saw the hippopotamus. Yes. 98 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,840 - It may look like it takes some time. -Yes. I have attached the report you requested. 99 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,880 -The one from Brundtland and Moen? Thanks. - Hmm? 100 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,920 -Did you say something? - No, we did not address you. 101 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,640 Our political advisor is also a Brundtland. Your husband. 102 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,760 - Yes, I know that. -You get to say hello so much. 103 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,960 - I will do that. - You saw he was praised in Dagbladet the other day. 104 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,320 Oh yes? Did he do it. 105 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:16,560 They believe that we in the Conservative Party have so skilled foreign policy advisors. 106 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:22,160 Dagbladet believes we are stronger in the election campaign precisely because of that. 107 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,960 This is not to brag about the Right, it is a compliment to your husband. 108 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Too bad he didn't continue in politics. I got the impression of... 109 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,120 Can you stop? 110 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:40,880 -With what? - You're trying to provoke me. 111 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,280 I try to be friendly. I want to pay your husband a compliment. 112 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,880 - There is no form of provocation. -Would you like it if I talked about your wife? 113 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:58,320 -Yes, if you have compliments to give her. - I have many compliments to give nurses. 114 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,560 But I wouldn't use it that you are married to one, against you - 115 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:06,520 - if we were to discuss privatization of the healthcare system. 116 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:12,920 - So we don't intend to abolish the nursing profession? - But there is a contradiction there. 117 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:18,200 That your wife has a protected profession of a party you are in opposition to. 118 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:23,440 Something I suspect you don't even once have had to defend. 119 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:29,240 - It would not have been difficult to defend. - Not that I'm married to Olav either. 120 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,960 Because I love him. But I will I'd rather not waste my time on it. 121 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,760 - I'm not trying to use him against you. - Yes, you do! 122 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,480 It has been used against me long before I started politics. 123 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,440 - Your father wasn't exactly happy, was he? - No, namely. 124 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:52,720 It was used against me when I became a politician. Not just by the opposition. 125 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Even within my own party People have been completely shocked. 126 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:04,320 Had Nordli been married to a female researcher in another party, no one had mentioned this. 127 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,560 Now Odvar Nordli probably has a background that... 128 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:12,720 This is about gender balance. I am seen as Olav's property. 129 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,160 - But it doesn't go the other way. - It is overly simplistic. 130 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,480 Don't forget that Nordli was brought up in poverty. 131 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,360 In close contact with industry and the labor movement in Hamar. 132 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Hard to accuse him of being a kind of mole for the right side. 133 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,320 While you, on the other hand... 134 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,480 With a middle-class upbringing, house on Bygdø, education from Harvard ... 135 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:44,320 Of course you will an easier target for exactly that kind of criticism. 136 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,680 -Where is the safe? Out there? - I have to say I'm a little unsure about that. 137 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,120 The Masonic Lodge ... a 300-year-old building. Become an electrician, they said. 138 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,080 Take me way up the ass... 139 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,640 I don't see it as unreasonable that you are with Arne Olav. 140 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,600 On the contrary, I would say. It shows a kind of common sense. 141 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,240 -Can you stop talking? - I don't need to say another word, me. 142 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,800 - Then we have an agreement on that. -Only you finish... 143 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:27,720 -I finished a long time ago, but you... - You raise questions, I answer. 144 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,680 - Wiktor, will they find out? - It has still disappeared without a trace. 145 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,800 - No, not the hippopotamus. The technical problems. - Oh yes, they're doing it. 146 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:45,040 Mrs Brundtland and I have discussed the possibility because it might not have been a hippopotamus you saw. 147 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,080 Something more along the lines of... 148 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,440 -A big dog. - I know the difference between a dog and a hippopotamus. 149 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:59,560 An Italian Mastiff can be quite grandiose. Out here now in the drizzling rain, a little gray mottled in the fur. 150 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:05,160 - Easy to make mistakes. Nothing to be ashamed of. - It was a hippopotamus, it has been confirmed. 151 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:10,720 Jan Erik, Daniel, Torstein, Karl Otto. Many have seen it around the building. 152 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,480 The most important thing now is that it does not become dangerous. The hall is full. 153 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,080 -Don't let yourself be disturbed. Just focus on yours. -Easy for you to say. 154 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,280 This must be talked about a form of collective psychosis. 155 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,560 Now you have to give in. Wiktor says he has seen a hippopotamus, he must have, then. 156 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,400 - You agreed. - Now Wiktor tells what he has seen. 157 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:39,000 Then we deal with it. You can't know that he has not seen a hippopotamus. 158 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,080 Wiktor is a very upbeat man. Does not need input from you. 159 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,920 I don't need to get involved in this. 160 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:53,000 But it could be easier to deal with if one used a certain form of reason. 161 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,320 Since everyone else is so terribly unreasonable. You have said that again and again. 162 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,040 - No one can bear to listen to it anymore. - No reason to be upset. 163 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,760 - I'm not up! - It's going perfectly fine. I must have seen it wrong. 164 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,200 - Maybe it was just a big, gray dog. - A mastiff, possibly. 165 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,680 - Maybe so. - Then we put it behind us. 166 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,160 -Are you doing well? - I can't sit here with him anymore. 167 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:26,760 Keep to yourself. Don't be polite. Use some of the techniques. Do you have a foot load? 168 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,840 - I didn't make it. - Maybe you should do it? 169 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:38,120 Then we can go in five minutes. The technical is ready every moment. 170 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,800 - So good. Is there a toilet nearby? -Yes, around over there. 171 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,640 - It just seems a bit chaotic. - It's not chaotic. 172 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,080 - What happened here? -Fire in a fuse box. 173 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,880 - But it's turned off. -Fire? 174 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,440 - Then we evacuate, guys. - You don't have to be here. It's fixed. 175 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:41,440 -I received a report of a fire in a safety cabinet. -Spark, but someone panicked. 176 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,600 -Who is in charge here? - The producers. 177 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:50,400 -But they are at a pitch seminar in London. - The prime minister is here. We are evacuating. 178 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:57,560 Nothing has burned here. It's a false alarm. Rather poke and find that hippopotamus that... 179 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,360 -Oh my God, have you seen it, too? -Do we have a hippopotamus running around? 180 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,800 -Is it us? - The Wildlife Board. 181 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,040 But hello! You haven't fixed the current if it's still dark here. 182 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,160 Hell, if you want something done, just… 183 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,320 Oh... 184 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,120 Firemen, asst. Think they are damn much better than everyone else. 185 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:27,880 Damn mouth breathers and bone draggers, all of them the gang. Spainhau, we call them at Lade. 186 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,720 -Damn spainnhau, the whole gang. - Then I have to look at the fuse box, me. 187 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,000 It's right over here. 188 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,560 Have you had your foot loaded? Sorry for so much disruption. 189 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,600 - Is there anything I can do? - This will be fine, Wiktor. 190 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,920 How is it going? Is there something wrong? 191 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,440 -No. - It looks like you're a bit out of sorts. 192 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,000 No. 193 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:08,560 No, these chairs are probably not the best. Now we have had a visit from the fire service. 194 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,640 - We could have heard about the healthcare system... -Not to be rude. 195 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,960 But I don't have time for that to talk to you right now. 196 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:37,840 -Maybe we should just move on? - Yes, it might be a good idea to cancel the whole thing? 197 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,560 -No... -What? 198 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:48,320 It all seems a bit chaotic. Isn't it any idea to hear if we should delay it? 199 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:54,720 -Delay? No. We won't. - We can see if we can find another date. 200 00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,440 I can tell you right away that I have no other dates. 201 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:09,040 I understand that the Prime Minister's Almanac is tightly packed, but surely this should be a priority? 202 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,560 And I have prioritized that today. Don't try to sneak away. 203 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:20,080 - I'm not trying to sneak away at all. - So don't ask us to cancel, then. 204 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:27,040 I'm not playing any games here, if you are implies? We have nothing to gain by delaying. 205 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:33,920 Quite the contrary. Canceling would have been possible advantage for you and an obvious disadvantage for us. 206 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,280 I know you don't doubt your own abilities as a debater, - 207 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:45,280 - but we are lagging behind in the measurements. A televised debate would be very decisive for us now. 208 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:51,400 - You are the one who has something to lose here. - So you have caught the opinion polls? 209 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,640 - We haven't lost yet. - If I were in your shoes, I would have changed my mind. 210 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,240 If you had been in my shoes, had you been in a lot of pain. 211 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,040 -What did you say? - There will be a debate, Mr Willoch. 212 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,240 -Mr Willoch? -Yes, I'm just trying to be polite. 213 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:16,360 It's going well, it's going well. Got everything, you guys? Enjoy yourselves, you probably have a lot to talk about. 214 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,600 When I say these things, it's not - 215 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:31,120 - to argue against you personally. I respect the work you do. 216 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:37,480 It is sad that the debate has gone this way for you. But I don't think it's your fault. 217 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,200 It is the media that wants winners and losers. 218 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,000 What matters, is what voters are left with. 219 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:51,960 And it's enough that you struggle to argue for a policy given by your predecessors. 220 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,800 - Male like that. - That is by no means the case. 221 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,880 I don't think so it is particularly controversial to claim - 222 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,040 - that your problem in the debates is that you in the end actually agree with us. 223 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,200 It applies to the lion's share of your party, but it cannot be said out loud. 224 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:17,000 Then you have to admit that yours political governance of the country has failed. 225 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:22,920 It is not done in a jiffy to acknowledge, but between us we can probably agree on - 226 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:29,320 - that you struggle to argue wholeheartedly for that not a single shop in this country - 227 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,760 - may be open after four o'clock. That we should only have one TV channel. 228 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,400 I have no problem with that. I love NRK. 229 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:45,400 It seems that you are set to argue for a policy that is inherited. From a bygone era. 230 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,080 You are a modern woman. This can be seen in every single close-up. 231 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,320 It is probably beneficial for you to avoid having this revealed just before the election? 232 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:02,680 I have no problem defending our policy. My duty is to represent the party. 233 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,040 Not just the individual things I'm passionate about. I take that responsibility with pleasure! 234 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:14,320 With us, it's not just about focusing on me, me. We are a community. 235 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,880 All Aps managers have had to do it. That's not why I lose the debates. 236 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:26,440 Although I don't agree that I have lost either. This becomes a problem because I am a woman. 237 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:32,440 You can't hide behind that fact that you are a woman, every time you receive criticism? 238 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:39,760 - Then it quickly becomes tiring to be prime minister. -Yes, these close-ups reveal me. 239 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:46,760 But what is revealed is not that I am like that agree with you because you are so wise and reasonable. 240 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,640 It is revealed that I get angry. But I'm not allowed to get angry. 241 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:57,520 Gerhardsen can get angry. Bratteli can curse and roast, but I can't. 242 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:03,680 I am trapped with the most provocative the person I have dealt with in my life. 243 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,000 Yes, then it looks like I'm hiding something. Not that you're right. 244 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:14,240 But that you make me so furious that I can feel the kidneys pump cortisol out into the body! 245 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,920 - Cortisol? - Yes, a stress hormone! It makes me stressed. 246 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,360 - Are you trying to say that I make you hormonal? - No...! 247 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,520 - Then we cancel, then! -Sorry, it was... 248 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,240 Gro, this was an attempt at a joke. It was unsuccessful, sorry about that. 249 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,320 - Victor! - Grow ... Grow. 250 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,480 - Victor! - I'm sorry, I'm going to lie flat. 251 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,520 - Victor! -An inappropriate joke. You may excuse me. 252 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,240 -Have you seen the hippopotamus? -What? No! We cancel. 253 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,920 -Huh? - It was something we discussed, but is it a good idea? 254 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:56,480 - We don't have time for this. Now say we go. - The firemen say that everything is in order. 255 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:02,880 A lot of people are waiting for you, that is full hall. They have even put people on the stairs. 256 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000 Oh... 257 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,360 Yes, then it's just a matter of getting started? 258 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,200 - The show must go on! - This is not a show, Wiktor. 259 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:24,960 No, I know, but isn't it nice that so many people want to see you? 260 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,880 I can only say that you are ready, then they call you up every moment. 261 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:47,360 Before we get started, I just have to add that I probably sees that you may be treated differently - 262 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,840 - because you are a woman. I'm not blind to it. 263 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,080 Then you can start by voting for - 264 00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:01,400 - some of the radical bills we will come along. You do it eventually anyway. 265 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,840 You like to pretend that the Labor Party have realized that you are right about everything. 266 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:15,040 But it is you who, 20 years later, realize that even specific abortion is essential for the freedom of the individual. 267 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,400 You have realized that we depend on the welfare state that Labor has built. 268 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:26,800 The idea of a welfare state has always been there a decisive premise for the Conservative Party's policy. 269 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,080 Be a little grateful, then, don't refer to us as naive little children. 270 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,880 Aren't you children? but naivety, it exists in all age groups. 271 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,400 -Yes. - Your predecessor Nygaardsvold, for example. 272 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,960 He was well into his years when he advocated to disarm, while Germany was clearly rearming. 273 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:55,640 - Do I have to be responsible for the Nazi occupation as well? -No. Sorry, you'll have to let that go. 274 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,000 Now we ended up at each other's throats again. 275 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:06,560 I tried to convey that I acknowledge your point that it plays into the fact that you are a woman. 276 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,560 I don't use it to hide away from criticism. I am happy to take criticism. 277 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,200 Yes... 278 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,680 But I have noticed it myself. 279 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,360 They have changed my name. 280 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,720 Before, people talked about Bratteli, Nordli, Korvald. 281 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,080 But... you're called Gro. Then I can no longer be Willoch. 282 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,840 - I have been called Kåre. - You don't like that, do you? 283 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,640 I'm not sure whether the personal focus is so constructive. 284 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Politics must be the important thing, not whether we are male or female. 285 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:55,200 But the fact that we are Gro and Kåre might do that the policy feels more accessible to people? 286 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,800 - Yes, we can hope so. - It's a full house out there. 287 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:05,760 Absolutely. It wasn't such a move when Korvald and Bratteli had debates. 288 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,240 - It's good that people are getting involved, isn't it? -Absolutely. 289 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:18,120 As long as it's not like that this Martinsen says: The show must go on. 290 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:25,880 Sometimes it is as if people are indifferent to whether we discuss international security policy, - 291 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:33,280 - or whether it is likely that a runaway hippo runs around Trondhjem's streets. 292 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,240 Yes... 293 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaking of that hippo… 294 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,280 Yes? 295 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,640 So, when I was on the toilet earlier... 296 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,360 Then there was something that sounded very strange inside one of those storage rooms. 297 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,440 - What then? - It was ... trampling. 298 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,160 Panting. 299 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,320 I think maybe it was… 300 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,840 But in the world... 301 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:33,680 I know it sounds absurd, but I think it might be in there. 302 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:41,360 How did it get in there? It couldn't have entered the door. 303 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,240 - But did you see it? -No. I just heard it. 304 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,200 - Yes, now you have to listen to me. - You are the doctor. What do you think about this yourself? 305 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,640 It sounds strange. I agree with that. But it was not imagination. 306 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,480 I heard it panting and wheezing and stomped around and smashed. 307 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,000 How did it sound, then? 308 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:14,640 A more conceivable scenario is that the fuss about flood- the horse has propagated itself in the subconscious. 309 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,760 Along with a certain secretion of hormones have you had delusions. 310 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,800 - I do not suffer from delusions. - So it's a wild, African hippopotamus - 311 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,480 - who runs wild inside the warehouse? 312 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,680 - If you don't believe me, I can show you. - No, I'll take you at your word. 313 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,080 If it is not there and it is not some broken glass, fine, then I was wrong. 314 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,480 Honestly, Gro. We don't have time. We will have an important debate. 315 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,920 We can't look around in the masonic lodge after a hippopotamus! 316 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:52,160 - It's right across the hall here. - No, don't drag me! No, I'm sitting here. 317 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,360 - You don't believe me, I can hear that in the tone of voice. - I can't do anything about it being the way it is. 318 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:05,360 You have purified it, so that you can quit all sentences with an ingrained obviousness - 319 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,240 - which implies that you can't be wrong about anything! 320 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:15,200 It's not my fault that I'm rarely wrong. Listen to your own tone of voice. Very special! 321 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,000 - This is not a debate about tone of voice. - No, but this time I'm probably right. 322 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:27,840 I am amazed that something so rational people like you get delusions. 323 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:35,880 -If a man had suggested it, we would have looked into it. - You were at least as skeptical about this Martinsen. 324 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:43,200 Let's settle on a common hypothesis. Yes, there is an animal in the warehouse, but hardly a hippopotamus. 325 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,280 No. What would it have been then? A big dog? 326 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,440 Well, a big dog stomping around and broken glass. But it wasn't a dog. 327 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,600 - Can't you put down your protests? -And you the delusions? 328 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:03,880 Is it a hippopotamus, as it surely is, is it a security issue. 329 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,200 I feel pretty safe, but send one off your secret service agents to look for. 330 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,200 If one of them came and said that the hippopotamus were there, you wouldn't believe him either. 331 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,800 - You would say he suffered from delusions. -According to your theory, I would believe him. 332 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,800 As he is a man. That would be a pretty…good experiment. 333 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:34,280 -To see how misogynistic my skepticism is. - We don't need an experiment for that. 334 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,280 - I ask Karl Otto to check the storage room. -And if he couldn't find a hippopotamus, - 335 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,280 - it was only a prime minister who was frightened by his own shadow. 336 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,920 Do I have a shadow like a hippopotamus? Because I'm fat? 337 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,360 Not at all. You're not fat. The point is that you are thin as a chip. 338 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,920 You should be much thicker. Should I compare you to a hippopotamus, - 339 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,960 - was it because people underestimate how dangerous it really is. 340 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,920 Remember that, then, Mr. Willoch, that the fat hippopotamus is not as dangerous - 341 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,920 - like an annoying, knowing mosquito! 342 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:17,800 - We are not here to discuss animal species. - You compare me to a hippopotamus. 343 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,560 I have actually lost weight! 344 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,640 It is the freedom of the individual. Should one weigh as much as a mosquito? 345 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,240 I'm talking about a kind of civilized way of conversing. 346 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,000 -That's not what you do when you compare... - I'm just making a point... 347 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,720 Then we're ready.